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Defeat of Converted Heroines

Post  Grungepunk on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:06 pm

Something that I've been thinking about for awhile now that I don't think I've seen discussed yet is the possibility of a converted heroine getting defeated and possibly killed by their former party members and was wondering if anyone was interested in doing something like that for a story or maybe even an image rendering.

Like for example, say that Celes gets captured and transformed completely into a Barb-e. Her teammates start looking for her and when they find her, they try to knock some sense into her but end up killing her and she dies like any normal monster would. Thoughts?
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Post  DoubleEdged on Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:21 am

Ehhhhh....

Sometimes it just feels hard enough to do a sexy-undead thing because I grew up with the process being
1) Death (Vampires- blood loss)
2) Desecration (Vampires- reverse feeding [putting their own blood into the body]. Also can probably assume having sexy time with the dead body.)
3) Undeath

Hell, I've probably also offed a few generic female monsters, usually as the catalyst of giving them rebirth (of some sort) in the target heroine. But literally killing important characters as the end point? I can't find anything in that which would give me a good feeling of any kind when it comes to fetishes. I like to add some drama to what I put together, but goddamn, that's just tragic.
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Post  Grungepunk on Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:28 am

And I can completely see the point in the argument that it's a pretty big tragedy that character is eliminated like that but at the same time there is some sort of finality in their conversion that this person truly was one of those monsters in order for that to have happened.

Plus, I think it could be used as a plot device to drive the hero party for vengeance against the villainess, only for them to ultimately succumb in a way that we all enjoy. Just my two cents.
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Post  Rainday on Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:49 pm

DoubleEdged wrote:Ehhhhh....

Sometimes it just feels hard enough to do a sexy-undead thing because I grew up with the process being
1) Death (Vampires- blood loss)
2) Desecration (Vampires- reverse feeding [putting their own blood into the body]. Also can probably assume having sexy time with the dead body.)
3) Undeath

Hell, I've probably also offed a few generic female monsters, usually as the catalyst of giving them rebirth (of some sort) in the target heroine. But literally killing important characters as the end point? I can't find anything in that which would give me a good feeling of any kind when it comes to fetishes. I like to add some drama to what I put together, but goddamn, that's just tragic.

I'm going to go a little off topic here, but I've always had a different view of vampirism myself. To me it's more like a poison that slowly kicks in. I guess it was 90's cartoons and movies, but the process would always be
1) The first bite, to enthrall the victim.
2) The victim would start to have hypnotic dreams of the biter and attempt to go to them.
3) The vampire would either finish off the job with sexy time and then the bite that causes the victim to instantly transform from thrall to vampire, or, the victim would begin to have blood lust and fangs would appear, their image in the mirror would fade, and their skin would change color as they gave in to their lust and became a vampire, still, they could always be cured by eliminating the head vampire.

At least that's how I've always viewed it, I never really saw death come into the equation, it's always been alive to undead, and even then the process was reversible.

More back on topic, I could think of a way that wouldn't involve death that might achieve the same results and even up the sexy, but it's probably not what you're looking for. They KO the converted heroine and are instead fueled by hope that eliminating the converter they can reverse the process. On the journey there they have to keep the converted heroine bound, they try to make her remember, but they only end up getting nearly seduced with her(possibly one does to add a betrayal stinger at the end), but they eventually get there and demand for the process to be revsered or they will eliminate the leader, which can go 1 of 2 ways, it's true, but they end up being defeated anyways when the betrayer unbinds the converted heroine and holds the main down as the villainess works her magic... Or 2, it was never true and just used to lure them to her, in which case their hope is lost and they give in.

But yeah, death is one of those things I'll never do. If I want a (male) character removed, they just get into a verbal fight with the heroine and the heroine leaves and they are never able to find her, or they get lost and their fate is unknown(usually assumed captured or gave up), or I genderswap them to work them in. But yeah, death has always been a mood killer so I work my magic to avoid it.
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Post  Grungepunk on Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:18 pm

Yea, that idea would actually work pretty well with what I was going hoping to get out of it which is essentially something to show that the conversion is full and really can't be undone. She's completely one of them now. So I guess option two would best suit what I was trying to go for.
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Post  DoubleEdged on Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:29 pm

Rainday wrote:At least that's how I've always viewed it, I never really saw death come into the equation, it's always been alive to undead, and even then the process was reversible.  

Well... I mean, I've probably seen just as much of the stuff as you have, but unfortunately, the dramatic fiction probably stuck to my mind more than the cartoonish fiction. I recently started watching Avengers Assemble, and that seemed to take the Vampire's Venom route, since they had Natasha turned into a demi-vampire (who was "cured in time"). Hell, I guess even Elder Scrolls does that too. But what I think of the most- two words:

Joss Whedon.

Two shows, I think 11 seasons in all between the two of them.
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Post  Rainday on Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:36 pm

Joss Whedon.

AAAAAAAAAH, that would explain it, I never really caught on to his shows. They were really good, but it just didn't click with me, that and ugly face.

Yea, that idea would actually work pretty well with what I was going hoping to get out of it which is essentially something to show that the conversion is full and really can't be undone. She's completely one of them now. So I guess option two would best suit what I was trying to go for.

Glad I could be of service, if I had the time and didn't have so much to do already I would gladly help more, heh.
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